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Grow Up to Get the Girls |
by John

Hey guys,
I want to share some stories for guys like me: early twenties, out of school and in the bars competing against guys in their 30s and 40s with more life experience. I want talk about how young guys need to grow up to get the girls.
What motivated me to write this article were the times when I would be “cock-blocked” by a girl’s friend out at the bar. That’s a crude term that involves a girl’s friends swooping in like a flock of peregrine falcons to take her away and out of reach from a guy like me.
I used to think this happened because underneath their sundresses and oversized D&G sunglasses women were evil. But in reality there was a laundry list of immature things I was doing. For starters, I was ignoring the friends rather than having the girl I was with introduce me to them.
Now I’m proactively social. I go out of my way to engage the girl’s friends. I’ll ask a question, get a response, then come back at the group with a statement in the “I” perspective and then repeat the process, making certain to engage everyone. If I end up hitting it off with one person, I may be unintentionally excluding someone from the interaction. I’ll fix that by saying, “I feel like we’re leaving you out, what do you think of ballroom dancing?” Once I’ve won over her friends I’ll SOI the girl I like in front of them. If they approve I can now start focusing on the girl I’m interested in and I don’t have to worry too much about engaging the friends.
I used to be ignorant of her relationship situation too, so for all I knew she could have had a boyfriend standing five feet behind me. He could have been a UFC Champion with tattoos on his arms of dragons and cobras, and dragons that eat cobras. So maybe she ran away to save my life. Now I simply say, “I like you, what’s your relationship situation?” It’s that easy. I usually do it within the first 5 minutes of an interaction. If she says she’s single, then I hit on her in a big way right then (this is usually funny too). If she says she’s in a relationship I’ll ask about it while sharing my own feelings on relationships. “You’ve been dating two years? Wow, my longest is around six months. Part of me enjoys the freedom of being single but part of me misses having someone to steal the blanket from on cold nights. Have you two thought about getting married?” Whatever you do don’t walk away or start ignoring her two seconds after you find out she’s taken. That looks bad and also, she may be in a bad or not-serious relationship. Give it a chance as a conversational topic and you will find out more. Also she probably has hot friends. Don’t bail.
I also felt a fear of loss that created a needy vibe that rattled around in my head something like this: “A hot girl is talking to me! Better not let this one get away. Play it safe. Don’t mess up. Listen to yourself mate, you are messing this up. Better just act cool. And flex, that’s it, flex those pecs. My God she is so beautiful. Oh, wait, where is she going? Arggghhhh.” I’ve found the easiest way to eliminate neediness is to simply look around. There are attractive women everywhere. No point in getting too wrapped up on any particular one. Also find other things to occupy your time. Busy people don’t obsess on their dating life. They are getting a sense of achievement through other areas of their life. That makes them happier and more attractive.
Another immature thing I used to do was rely on alcohol for my courage and social skills. I recall one night there was a 36 DD blond, seated by herself. I could just walk up and easily start a conversation, but no, Mr.
Budweiser had to be involved. Five drinks later, I got my liquid courage suited up and I approached her. (Okay… I stumbled in her direction.) Luckily, she was friendly – she was Rachel from Friends. All went well for the first 30 seconds. But then, I knocked my beer into her lap. Ah! Ageooo! Fortunately she was forgiving. I got a towel from the bar and began cleaning her and the table. The only problem was that while cleaning up my previous mess, I forgot my other beer (did I mention I was the jolly, two-fisted beer man?) and that one went into her lap as well.
Splash.
Imagine it in slow-motion. Noooooo!!!!! Damn, I had a way of making women wet. Just not for the right reasons. I felt like I was eight years old. I’d screwed up and had nobody to blame but myself. And this time, it was too late. She stopped my apologizing and cleaning with her death glare. She seized my hand and said, “Stop, just…stop.” In that moment I shrunk to three inches tall. I put my tail between my legs and walked back to my friends. Even they were embarrassed to be seen with me after that. I felt like the entire room was pointing and laughing at me. A couple people actually were.
But now it’s a different story – with my involvement with Charisma Arts and some life experience I realize the error of my ways. I write this now to give anyone who was like me (read 99% of college age guys) some advice so to quicken the learning curve and score some babes.
First rule: I might have a drink here and there socially but I realize that alcohol does not help. Some results have been obvious. If you don’t get drunk you minimize the chances of making a fool of yourself. But one result came as a big surprise to me. Women respect a man that can interact without the aid of alcohol. I remember when I was at a bar in Seattle earlier this year and a gorgeous girl opened me with:
Her: “What are you drinking’?”
Me: “Something that rocks my world every time I drink it.”
Her: “What’s that?”
Me: “Water” and I smiled.
Her: “Me too!” she laughed, lit up like a Christmas tree and she raised her glass to cheers.
We went on to relate on the fact that we both liked drinking from time to time, but not always. I find I get positive reactions from women when they realize I’m not drinking or I’ve only had a few. I’ve even had party girls say: “That’s so cool; I wish I could have fun without drinking.” In summary, an easy way to show your maturity for younger guys, is to minimize how much you drink, and if nothing else don’t rely on alcohol for your charisma.
Something I learned about maturity came from sensei Johnny Saviour: When the mountain crumbles before you, don’t flinch. When you approach three women and they give you a less than enthusiastic look, do not flinch - stand your ground. When a drunk guy jumps in between you and a girl and tries to ruin the interaction, don’t flinch. This shows confidence, one of the things every woman sees as a sign of maturity in a man.
I want to talk about a final aspect of maturity that I had to deal with: accepting the person I used to be. It’s hard for me to relate to the often anti-social, celibate, World of Warcraft-addicted bump on a log that once was me. It makes me cringe thinking about it. I used to dwell on the missed opportunities I had before deciding to better myself. Even now I look into the past with an eye that’s too unforgiving. Sometimes when I’m out with old friends they bring up the old me, they treat me like the old me: a guy who didn’t get it, had no value, no status - and that would be frustrating. I used to try to fight it in order to show everyone the new me. I’d go out of my way to try and impress them.
But this got me nowhere. If anything, it alienated me from them further. Out of exhaustion, I stopped trying to show these people how cool the new John was. I stopped trying to show them my skills with women. I just didn’t care anymore. I did what I wanted to do and didn’t worry what others thought about it. If they weren’t going to accept me, then so be it. But then a peculiar thing happened. That’s when people started respecting me. I remember one time when I was chastising my dad for wearing a speedo (he was many years and many pounds too heavy) he told me that people are way too worried about what other people think of them to pay any attention to you. Turns out he was right.
If you want to blossom you need to learn to respect your prior mistakes and the person you used to be. You need to realize that nobody has every aspect of their life together. Everyone makes big mistakes that have negative effects on their lives at some point. It’s learning from those mistakes that separate a mature man from a boy. The next time you go out with old friends and they bring up the old you confidently admit to your mistake and leave it at that. Don’t apologize for it. Focus on the present and have fun. Look forward to the future.
If you want to talk more about meeting women in your early twenties or you want to go after some pretty young things, drop me a line at John@charismaarts.com or check out my bootcamp schedule here. And leave me some comments. I want to hear what you guys think about meeting girls when you’re young and straight out of school.
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August 5th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Wow I can relate to that very well. I’m 23 now and it’s a sticking point that I’m not completely over but I’m definately making headway - accepting your old self and creating your new self.
Great post…thanks for sharing!
August 5th, 2008 at 11:51 am
John,
Hell of a post! I’m 26 and I have struggled with accepting my mistakes (in all areas, but especially with women) for a long time. It is one of my major problems, as I find myself only thinking about negative interactions I’ve had, while going out and trying to have new interactions. It is surely counter productive, and has a negative impact on your mood and willingness to interact. Thanks for bringing it up!
August 5th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Hey guys thanks for the kudos.
I’m glad you could relate to my article. It’s refreshing to know my thoughts and ideas are helpful to others.
keep the comments coming!
August 7th, 2008 at 1:13 am
i want to be afrind buitifull girl
August 9th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Hey John,
I thought that was a great article, pratical and very honest. I especially liked the part about accepting the old you. It says to me that you would be able to accept the frog and help him turn into a prince…including such awful analogies.
August 10th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Hi John,
I could really relate with a lot of what you said. I’m sure you know what I mean so I won’t elaborate. One thing I found really amusing is how when I read your field reports and see your little avatar I totally get the impression that you’re this suave, British, super athlete type of guy but reading about your being a WoW addict and seeing your silly poses in this context totally makes me think, “One of us! One of us!” In fact I thought you were a newly hired instructor or an alumni when I first read this. I thought “I don’t think I’ve ever heard of John, he must be ne– OH! John DAVID”
August 10th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Lol. Yeah, I was wondering the exact same. I’m glad that other guy doesn’t exist!
August 10th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Erm…at least I hope he doesn’t.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Haha, they had to cut the “David” off my name on the main page so my name would fit in the “meet your instructor” box at the top left hand of the page.
I can be that suave, American, athlete type of guy but I like to think I also have the ability to know when it’s ok to make silly poses and lighten up a bit. The WoW addicted john has been dead for several years now and I don’t ever plan on resurrecting him (He died without a soulstone and his body is out of range). Although I must admit Warhammer Online looks pretty tempting……. =)
August 25th, 2008 at 5:02 am
To go with the whole accepting yourself theme:
“I dreamed I had a child, and even in the dream I saw it was my life, and it was an idiot, and I ran away. But it always crept on to my lap again, clutched at my clothes. Until I thought, if I could kiss it, whatever in it is my own, perhaps I could sleep. And I bent to its broken face, and it was horrible….but I kissed it. I think one must finally take one’s life in one’s arms.” Arthur Miller, After the Fall.